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		<title>By: Curry</title>
		<link>http://kestrachern.net/my-first-regional-burn/comment-page-1/#comment-353</link>
		<dc:creator>Curry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 00:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We will continue to welcome those with open minds and spirits if they so choose to come.  How certain people do things is not for everyone.  But, it is a big state and there is plenty of room for another burn, more art, different ideas.  Please feel free to use what you saw was good and develop something more to your liking if you so chose.  Or volunteer.  That is always a great way to get to know people.  Be part of Burnt Oranges and get on the board.  Develop a theme camp or spearhead a project for the community.  So many ways for you to create the reality you envision.

For me, I like that it is still small enough that we can have a &quot;community talent show&quot;.  I am always astounded and amazed by the beauty that continues to manifest in phambly new and old.  I can listen to techno and have lights in my home or go to a club or house party for music.  But the people are why I keep going back.  The moving art that is the interaction between their energies constantly fascinates and intrigues me.  But art and beauty are in the eye of the beholder.

The Blueberry Patch is a lot of fun and certain a nice recycled art venue.  Glad to know that you have gotten to visit there.  There is a lot of beauty in varied pockets all over.  But the most beautiful I have found have been inside.

May you find all the things that make you smile and fill your world with delight...

Curry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We will continue to welcome those with open minds and spirits if they so choose to come.  How certain people do things is not for everyone.  But, it is a big state and there is plenty of room for another burn, more art, different ideas.  Please feel free to use what you saw was good and develop something more to your liking if you so chose.  Or volunteer.  That is always a great way to get to know people.  Be part of Burnt Oranges and get on the board.  Develop a theme camp or spearhead a project for the community.  So many ways for you to create the reality you envision.</p>
<p>For me, I like that it is still small enough that we can have a &#8220;community talent show&#8221;.  I am always astounded and amazed by the beauty that continues to manifest in phambly new and old.  I can listen to techno and have lights in my home or go to a club or house party for music.  But the people are why I keep going back.  The moving art that is the interaction between their energies constantly fascinates and intrigues me.  But art and beauty are in the eye of the beholder.</p>
<p>The Blueberry Patch is a lot of fun and certain a nice recycled art venue.  Glad to know that you have gotten to visit there.  There is a lot of beauty in varied pockets all over.  But the most beautiful I have found have been inside.</p>
<p>May you find all the things that make you smile and fill your world with delight&#8230;</p>
<p>Curry</p>
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		<title>By: Samaya~</title>
		<link>http://kestrachern.net/my-first-regional-burn/comment-page-1/#comment-344</link>
		<dc:creator>Samaya~</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 00:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for the confusion.  My turn to clarify.  My post wasn&#039;t directed to you learning history, but I see now it was confusing and I guess you thought I was directing it to you when actually no...I was trying to say, I kinda see where you are coming from and here is why....and then I went on to explain about the event and &#039;virgins&#039; and what I see as the effect of so many being at one event. 

As I said, after I thought about some of the &#039;things&#039; you said I could see why the event may have seemed so low key so to speak.  I realized with there being so many virgins all at one time that the &#039;normal&#039; energy of some past events was likely diluted (for instance by lack of costuming).

I wasn&#039;t referring to you learning the history of BM, I was referring to any/all people new to any &#039;culture&#039; having the responsibility to learn it&#039;s &#039;rules and history&#039;.  

Now, before anyone wants to flame me, let me clarify further.  I LIKE virgins.  I like virgins who come &#039;in&#039; all wide-eyed and who WANT to become a part of what we have.  It&#039;s the people that come in with no respect that annoy me.

We are all new at one point.  It isn&#039;t a virgins fault if they don&#039;t know proper behavior BUT that does not relieve them of the responsiblity to learn what proper behavior is and to act respectfully until they know what is proper and that was my point.  

Walking into a private camp area and picking up a plate with a steak on it, isn&#039;t proper.  Walking into a camp and &#039;hunting&#039; for a trash can to throw YOUR trash in isn&#039;t proper.  Did these people do this to be &#039;jerks&#039;?  Probably not, but what it means is they need to be educated on what a burn is and what is proper.  That&#039;s a hard task when the majority are virgins!  

On a side note, I was thinking about it today and one theme camp run by a couple of friends of mine was missing at PreHeat because they weren&#039;t in attendance this go round.  The camp is called the costume cabana.  Too bad...more than ever we could have used it out there to get people out of their &#039;street clothes&#039;!  :)

Matthew, as far as any Florida history, how about if you stop by the Purple Passion Palace at AfterBurn and we can have a &#039;face&#039; conversation?  I&#039;d be happy to chat more in depth with you &quot;in person&quot;.  

As is the case with most &#039;history lessons&#039;, it&#039;s sometimes complicated, sometimes simple and quite honestly, sometimes just filled with &#039;drama&#039;.  Learning the &#039;history&#039; of a culture or a group of people isn&#039;t just something posted to a website, it&#039;s a process.  People &#039;share&#039; with others only when they get to know them on a personal level and develop a sense of comraderie and trust.  I hope that makes sense.

See you at AfterBurn...or perhaps before.  Watch the FL-Chat list there&#039;s impromtu meetings, dinners, parties, etc. posted there...sometimes on the spur of the moment!

Until then, keep the Fire Burning,
Samaya~</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for the confusion.  My turn to clarify.  My post wasn&#8217;t directed to you learning history, but I see now it was confusing and I guess you thought I was directing it to you when actually no&#8230;I was trying to say, I kinda see where you are coming from and here is why&#8230;.and then I went on to explain about the event and &#8216;virgins&#8217; and what I see as the effect of so many being at one event. </p>
<p>As I said, after I thought about some of the &#8216;things&#8217; you said I could see why the event may have seemed so low key so to speak.  I realized with there being so many virgins all at one time that the &#8216;normal&#8217; energy of some past events was likely diluted (for instance by lack of costuming).</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t referring to you learning the history of BM, I was referring to any/all people new to any &#8216;culture&#8217; having the responsibility to learn it&#8217;s &#8216;rules and history&#8217;.  </p>
<p>Now, before anyone wants to flame me, let me clarify further.  I LIKE virgins.  I like virgins who come &#8216;in&#8217; all wide-eyed and who WANT to become a part of what we have.  It&#8217;s the people that come in with no respect that annoy me.</p>
<p>We are all new at one point.  It isn&#8217;t a virgins fault if they don&#8217;t know proper behavior BUT that does not relieve them of the responsiblity to learn what proper behavior is and to act respectfully until they know what is proper and that was my point.  </p>
<p>Walking into a private camp area and picking up a plate with a steak on it, isn&#8217;t proper.  Walking into a camp and &#8216;hunting&#8217; for a trash can to throw YOUR trash in isn&#8217;t proper.  Did these people do this to be &#8216;jerks&#8217;?  Probably not, but what it means is they need to be educated on what a burn is and what is proper.  That&#8217;s a hard task when the majority are virgins!  </p>
<p>On a side note, I was thinking about it today and one theme camp run by a couple of friends of mine was missing at PreHeat because they weren&#8217;t in attendance this go round.  The camp is called the costume cabana.  Too bad&#8230;more than ever we could have used it out there to get people out of their &#8216;street clothes&#8217;!  <img src='http://kestrachern.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Matthew, as far as any Florida history, how about if you stop by the Purple Passion Palace at AfterBurn and we can have a &#8216;face&#8217; conversation?  I&#8217;d be happy to chat more in depth with you &#8220;in person&#8221;.  </p>
<p>As is the case with most &#8216;history lessons&#8217;, it&#8217;s sometimes complicated, sometimes simple and quite honestly, sometimes just filled with &#8216;drama&#8217;.  Learning the &#8216;history&#8217; of a culture or a group of people isn&#8217;t just something posted to a website, it&#8217;s a process.  People &#8216;share&#8217; with others only when they get to know them on a personal level and develop a sense of comraderie and trust.  I hope that makes sense.</p>
<p>See you at AfterBurn&#8230;or perhaps before.  Watch the FL-Chat list there&#8217;s impromtu meetings, dinners, parties, etc. posted there&#8230;sometimes on the spur of the moment!</p>
<p>Until then, keep the Fire Burning,<br />
Samaya~</p>
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		<title>By: Lady N Sain</title>
		<link>http://kestrachern.net/my-first-regional-burn/comment-page-1/#comment-343</link>
		<dc:creator>Lady N Sain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome to the chat group - i am a Scorpio as well - Holloween to be accurate ;)
M - love u girl i had a blast with u - i&#039;m so glad u came from SC - hope to see u again soon
N Sain</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to the chat group &#8211; i am a Scorpio as well &#8211; Holloween to be accurate <img src='http://kestrachern.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
M &#8211; love u girl i had a blast with u &#8211; i&#8217;m so glad u came from SC &#8211; hope to see u again soon<br />
N Sain</p>
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		<title>By: kestrachern</title>
		<link>http://kestrachern.net/my-first-regional-burn/comment-page-1/#comment-339</link>
		<dc:creator>kestrachern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Samaya~ I have learned the history of Burning Man.  Where I fall short is in the history of the Florida Burners, AfterBurn, and PreHeat.  Despite that there is only a few years it would be great to have some of the history on the respective websites.  Maybe this is a good area for me to enrich my participation, do you know who I can contact?  There was definitely a high contingent of virgins at the event and I spent much time talking to them reliving that first experience thought them and hopefully fertilizing their passion and desire for participation :-)

Lady N Sain - thank you!  I may not have a problem occasionally putting a foot in my mouth, but I also work to pry it back out as quickly as possible.  I appreciate you pointing me toward the Burning Man chat group, I have no idea how I overlooked it. I hope you enjoyed my Who I am.txt  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Samaya~ I have learned the history of Burning Man.  Where I fall short is in the history of the Florida Burners, AfterBurn, and PreHeat.  Despite that there is only a few years it would be great to have some of the history on the respective websites.  Maybe this is a good area for me to enrich my participation, do you know who I can contact?  There was definitely a high contingent of virgins at the event and I spent much time talking to them reliving that first experience thought them and hopefully fertilizing their passion and desire for participation <img src='http://kestrachern.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Lady N Sain &#8211; thank you!  I may not have a problem occasionally putting a foot in my mouth, but I also work to pry it back out as quickly as possible.  I appreciate you pointing me toward the Burning Man chat group, I have no idea how I overlooked it. I hope you enjoyed my Who I am.txt  <img src='http://kestrachern.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Deana</title>
		<link>http://kestrachern.net/my-first-regional-burn/comment-page-1/#comment-338</link>
		<dc:creator>Deana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a wonderful weekend.. It was my first as well!, been hearing bout it thru friends(long-time burners).I got to hang with OBE camp,Randy n crew! I am so greatful for the experince and appreciative to everyone involved. The people were beautiful inside n out! The ranch was awesome.. i love horses!!! Was bummed bout the fire-ban. Being my first time.. but fire dancers ect., were off the wall! Very talented!! Thank u all for yur assbustn n sweat!! Preheat Rocked!! Hope i can return!! ~Peace n Luvn~ Treazure</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a wonderful weekend.. It was my first as well!, been hearing bout it thru friends(long-time burners).I got to hang with OBE camp,Randy n crew! I am so greatful for the experince and appreciative to everyone involved. The people were beautiful inside n out! The ranch was awesome.. i love horses!!! Was bummed bout the fire-ban. Being my first time.. but fire dancers ect., were off the wall! Very talented!! Thank u all for yur assbustn n sweat!! Preheat Rocked!! Hope i can return!! ~Peace n Luvn~ Treazure</p>
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		<title>By: m</title>
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		<dc:creator>m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Je suis M, Michele, SC Libertine, she of the mighty megaphone.

I&#039;m still missing that Hannah Montana CD.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;m&#8217;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://playabound.wordpress.com/2009/04/13/in-what-will-be-the-first-of-many/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;In what will be the first of many&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Je suis M, Michele, SC Libertine, she of the mighty megaphone.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still missing that Hannah Montana CD.</p>
<p><abbr><em>m&#8217;s last blog post..<a href="http://playabound.wordpress.com/2009/04/13/in-what-will-be-the-first-of-many/" rel="nofollow">In what will be the first of many</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Samaya~</title>
		<link>http://kestrachern.net/my-first-regional-burn/comment-page-1/#comment-336</link>
		<dc:creator>Samaya~</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been a bit swamped the last day or so with other conversations/things, but I wanted to give a follow up post to say Matthew (Kestrachern)- your name is Matthew correct?  Anyway I wanted to say that I respect the way you responded back to all of the comments here and how you clarified your &#039;thoughts&#039;.

As I said in my initial post, everyone is entitled to their opinion and also that perception is key.  I&#039;ve had a lot of conversation about this in the past few days which has helped to clarify my own thoughts.

Funny thing for me but my latest mantra to several people lately has been learn the history, learn the history.  When we go to school, we learn American history and world history.  So to when I went to BurninMan, I learned what I could about BM history.  To me, it was fascinating reading.  Try the book &quot;This is BurningMan by Brian Doherty&quot; if you haven&#039;t read it.

Then there is the personal Florida history which I hold very, very close to my heart.  There are some extremely &#039;passionate&#039; burners here in Florida, if one can &#039;define&#039; burner any more and if one can find them in the midst of the influx of so many new people.

There are those who feel the pain of so much new &#039;influx&#039; at once that it seems to sometimes delete the original &#039;mix&#039; so to speak.
IMHO, there are some folks who just hear about a &#039;great party&#039; and come, having &#039;no idea&#039; of what &#039;it&#039; is all about. 

When they come in &#039;small doses&#039;, they can be mentored, councelled, coached, educated...but when they come in droves, that &#039;job&#039; becomes difficult to impossible.

Some people obviously don&#039;t &#039;get&#039; that not all food in all camps is for everyone and you don&#039;t just (literally) walk into a camp, pick up a plate with steak on it and walk off as if you are entitled to it because &#039;everything&#039; is free...no commerce.  THAT is not what it means.  Or others don&#039;t get that you don&#039;t just walk into a camp and throw your trash in a garbage can sitting inside a &#039;theme camp&#039; area...and the list goes on.

What you witnessed Matthew was a huge influx of (virgin) people, who I hope if they come back will learn what &#039;burner&#039; events are really about and &#039;get it&#039;, but with the size of the growth, I just don&#039;t know so we&#039;ll see.

Until then, I go to these events, I enjoy them but that is becuse I stay mostly inside the &quot;Nirvana&quot; my camp mates and I create.  A camp of those who I consider &#039;passionate&#039; and who &#039;get it&#039; in the midst of the outer mayhem...

We were ALL new once...but being new gives one the responsiblity to learn the ropes.  Is it a &#039;newbies&#039; fault that they don&#039;t know?  Of course not.  It is not their fault, but it is their responsibility to learn the history and the culture just as it would be if they were moving to a foreign country...

Best Regards,
Samaya~</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been a bit swamped the last day or so with other conversations/things, but I wanted to give a follow up post to say Matthew (Kestrachern)- your name is Matthew correct?  Anyway I wanted to say that I respect the way you responded back to all of the comments here and how you clarified your &#8216;thoughts&#8217;.</p>
<p>As I said in my initial post, everyone is entitled to their opinion and also that perception is key.  I&#8217;ve had a lot of conversation about this in the past few days which has helped to clarify my own thoughts.</p>
<p>Funny thing for me but my latest mantra to several people lately has been learn the history, learn the history.  When we go to school, we learn American history and world history.  So to when I went to BurninMan, I learned what I could about BM history.  To me, it was fascinating reading.  Try the book &#8220;This is BurningMan by Brian Doherty&#8221; if you haven&#8217;t read it.</p>
<p>Then there is the personal Florida history which I hold very, very close to my heart.  There are some extremely &#8216;passionate&#8217; burners here in Florida, if one can &#8216;define&#8217; burner any more and if one can find them in the midst of the influx of so many new people.</p>
<p>There are those who feel the pain of so much new &#8216;influx&#8217; at once that it seems to sometimes delete the original &#8216;mix&#8217; so to speak.<br />
IMHO, there are some folks who just hear about a &#8216;great party&#8217; and come, having &#8216;no idea&#8217; of what &#8216;it&#8217; is all about. </p>
<p>When they come in &#8216;small doses&#8217;, they can be mentored, councelled, coached, educated&#8230;but when they come in droves, that &#8216;job&#8217; becomes difficult to impossible.</p>
<p>Some people obviously don&#8217;t &#8216;get&#8217; that not all food in all camps is for everyone and you don&#8217;t just (literally) walk into a camp, pick up a plate with steak on it and walk off as if you are entitled to it because &#8216;everything&#8217; is free&#8230;no commerce.  THAT is not what it means.  Or others don&#8217;t get that you don&#8217;t just walk into a camp and throw your trash in a garbage can sitting inside a &#8216;theme camp&#8217; area&#8230;and the list goes on.</p>
<p>What you witnessed Matthew was a huge influx of (virgin) people, who I hope if they come back will learn what &#8216;burner&#8217; events are really about and &#8216;get it&#8217;, but with the size of the growth, I just don&#8217;t know so we&#8217;ll see.</p>
<p>Until then, I go to these events, I enjoy them but that is becuse I stay mostly inside the &#8220;Nirvana&#8221; my camp mates and I create.  A camp of those who I consider &#8216;passionate&#8217; and who &#8216;get it&#8217; in the midst of the outer mayhem&#8230;</p>
<p>We were ALL new once&#8230;but being new gives one the responsiblity to learn the ropes.  Is it a &#8216;newbies&#8217; fault that they don&#8217;t know?  Of course not.  It is not their fault, but it is their responsibility to learn the history and the culture just as it would be if they were moving to a foreign country&#8230;</p>
<p>Best Regards,<br />
Samaya~</p>
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		<title>By: Lady N Sain</title>
		<link>http://kestrachern.net/my-first-regional-burn/comment-page-1/#comment-334</link>
		<dc:creator>Lady N Sain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 05:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ohhhhhhhhhh, thanks m.
I am not entirely sure who you are - can i get a little more than a letter? can i buy a vowel?   ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ohhhhhhhhhh, thanks m.<br />
I am not entirely sure who you are &#8211; can i get a little more than a letter? can i buy a vowel?   <img src='http://kestrachern.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: m</title>
		<link>http://kestrachern.net/my-first-regional-burn/comment-page-1/#comment-329</link>
		<dc:creator>m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 04:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meeting Noa was a highlight of my burn!

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;m&#8217;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://playabound.wordpress.com/2009/04/13/in-what-will-be-the-first-of-many/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;In what will be the first of many&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meeting Noa was a highlight of my burn!</p>
<p><abbr><em>m&#8217;s last blog post..<a href="http://playabound.wordpress.com/2009/04/13/in-what-will-be-the-first-of-many/" rel="nofollow">In what will be the first of many</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Lady N Sain</title>
		<link>http://kestrachern.net/my-first-regional-burn/comment-page-1/#comment-328</link>
		<dc:creator>Lady N Sain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 04:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its not easy to apologise but you did.
Welcome to the community - i hope u come to other events and get to know the passionate people in this community. Including all those that posted a remark here.
Join the Florida burningman chat group - most of us are on there and discuss about different gatherings, different ideas, ask/recieve advice, and fool around ;)
Join and answer the newbie questionnare so we can get to know you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its not easy to apologise but you did.<br />
Welcome to the community &#8211; i hope u come to other events and get to know the passionate people in this community. Including all those that posted a remark here.<br />
Join the Florida burningman chat group &#8211; most of us are on there and discuss about different gatherings, different ideas, ask/recieve advice, and fool around <img src='http://kestrachern.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Join and answer the newbie questionnare so we can get to know you.</p>
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